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Re: Please help, newbie!!!!

Postby Murray on Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:38 pm

Hi Xander

I got designs for the rear uprights (independent) and a place that does laser cutting at a reasonable price. What year are you in? I've got friends in 3rd year (Ian Greyvenstyn and Craig Smith) also doing Mechanical at Tuks.

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Re: Please help, newbie!!!!

Postby Xander on Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:30 pm

Thank you Ross that would be much appreciated!!!This is probably a retarded question but would it be possible to buy the sierra as a donor car and then buy the rear axle of an escort or other car with a live rear axle in order to avoid having to construct an independent rear axle? :?
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Re: Please help, newbie!!!!

Postby andredp on Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:34 am

Remember the top wishbones Ross has is specifically for a wider wheel base Luego, using Sierra uprights. You will have to also adapt your lower wishbones, as well as use extensions for the rack if you go that way. Like I said previously, if you are going to start to mix and match etc, you won't make that R25K budget ;)
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Re: Please help, newbie!!!!

Postby Joose on Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:45 pm

here's a couple of potential donors, although they are in cape town:

http://capetown.gumtree.co.za/c-Cars-Ve ... Z151521081
http://capetown.gumtree.co.za/c-Cars-Ve ... Z147841453

Prices are too high as well, you would need to go in all guns blazing, and maybe you could get one of them for R3-R4K.

another option - just the mechanicals though:

http://durban.gumtree.co.za/c-Cars-Vehi ... Z148619855

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others - this time in JHB :)

For Sale Johannesburg24/08/2009
FORD ESCORT 1600: 1978. R.3500 (Jhb) Tel. Jacob
Jhb R 3500 084-4993697

Johannesburg4/08/2009
Ford Escort MK2 Was in accident on rightside, stripping for spares, 2l Saphire motor fitted. Or buy the car: price negotiable, engine still in running condition and got papers.
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Re: Please help, newbie!!!!

Postby Xander on Fri Sep 04, 2009 6:16 pm

Hi Murray,
I'm second year now. I am going to use a live axle instead of IRS, I believe its simpler and I'm on a budget :(
And thank you very much Joose, those look like great potential donor cars, I am going to try and have a look at the two in jhb tomorrow!!
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Re: Please help, newbie!!!!

Postby arno on Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:01 am

Hi
I agree with Andre that the little cost adds up to big amounts at the end. I used a sierra donor for my build, picked it up for 3k with reasonable mechanicles. The irs is not realy that expensive to build if its a road car. Mine use shims to do the toe and camber and it takes i bit more time to setup where as on a race car you would need the more expensive adjustable wishbones to do quick adjustments. I would rather go for the sierra as doner than the escort as its a newer car and you can pick them up for the same price as an escort.
Another car that you might look at is a 2.0 opel record,they make use of a live rear axle and 2.0l opel motor can make lots of power if you wanna tweak it at a later stage. I just don't know what the front uprights look like and what mods you'll have to do.
And after all you're doing mech engineering so you'll have to go for irs and design your own suspension :mrgreen:
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Re: Please help, newbie!!!!

Postby andredp on Mon Sep 07, 2009 1:57 pm

Buy a newer model (2005 +) written off Nissan 1400 if you are on a budget. The end. :roll:
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Re: Please help, newbie!!!!

Postby Joose on Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:08 am

andredp wrote:Buy a newer model (2005 +) written off Nissan 1400 if you are on a budget. The end. :roll:



where would you find one though? Insurance companies maybe? Surely you would need to "intercept" the car before it gets into the hands of a scrappy, because a scrappy would charge an arm and a leg to buy the whole car...
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Re: Please help, newbie!!!!

Postby ross on Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:45 am

Not necessarily, when I built my cobra I bought a complete XJ6 that I was able to drive away from the breakers yard. I paid R1800 for the complete car. A guy stripped it for me and I said he could keep whatever he got for the rest which came to around R3000. It's got to be worth asking
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Re: Please help, newbie!!!!

Postby Joose on Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:01 am

suppose a written-off bantam could also work in that case? its more complicated than the nissan though...
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Re: Please help, newbie!!!!

Postby andredp on Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:22 am

RWD Bantam? Didn't know they existed.
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Re: Please help, newbie!!!!

Postby muller on Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:25 am

Joose wrote:suppose a written-off bantam could also work in that case? its more complicated than the nissan though...

Nope, bantam = FWD, you need a RWD donor.
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Re: Please help, newbie!!!!

Postby Joose on Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:31 am

muller wrote:
Joose wrote:suppose a written-off bantam could also work in that case? its more complicated than the nissan though...

Nope, bantam = FWD, you need a RWD donor.



True. I was thinking of the Locost Racing series and trying to get a Rocam. But I would think all these donor cars are too expensive anyway. You want to be able to buy the whole car for R3k or less. I have my doubts that you'll get a late-model Nissan 1400 for that. Also, wouldn't the use of the Nissan running gear require extensive modifications to the book chassis?

on a side note, I have been looking at those CVH engines that were in the XR3 shape escort. Since supplies of Kents are drying up, it could be worth looking at the CVH as a low-cost engine. It seems to make decent power (71kw in 1600 guise) and it seems to bolt right onto a type 9 or type 2 box.
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Re: Please help, newbie!!!!

Postby andredp on Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:42 am

Well maybe not for less then R3K, but in the end the more expensive donor with newer parts will work out less then an old donor where you have to replace every single joint, bearing, bush ETC. No mods to the Nissan 1400 drivetrain other than the mods one has to do to any drivetrain for it to fit. Like I said, it has been done and in a chassis smaller than a Locost one. All I am saying is that an older donor will work out more expensive and you will end up replacing 90% of the stuff anyway.
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Re: Please help, newbie!!!!

Postby Joose on Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:11 pm

yeah you're probably right Andre. The Nissan is the best option - reliable, no ECU or management to mess with, cheap-ish etc. I just wish I could find some of them on the net for a decent price. I havent seen anything hopeful yet, they are all way too expensive.. Gonna try the insurance companies next - see if one can buy them straight off them and cut out the middle man...


here's a potential. Might be able to get it for R5k.. still too expensive for its age though..

http://capetown.gumtree.co.za/c-Cars-Ve ... Z148925290

EDIT: Right! been doing some digging and am finally getting somewhere. Here are a few companies that do insurance salvage. they basically either sell or auction off accident damaged cars..

http://www.aucor.com/listsector.asp?SCR=17&BID=0&SID=3
http://www.hillbank.co.za/
http://www.autostart.co.za/cp064412.htm

Alternatively, a search for "salvage disposal" in google should bring up a list of places..

EDIT 2: for Xander: I got onto a guy at one of those salvage places and he is currently looking for Nissan 1400's around JHB which have undamaged mechanicals and have been rolled. He said they would cost from R7k upwards though for a late model so its still too expensive IMO for a true locost. Will keep digging...
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