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Re: Please help, newbie!!!!

Postby bikemonster on Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:25 pm

Joose wrote:...on a side note, I have been looking at those CVH engines that were in the XR3 shape escort. Since supplies of Kents are drying up, it could be worth looking at the CVH as a low-cost engine. It seems to make decent power (71kw in 1600 guise) and it seems to bolt right onto a type 9 or type 2 box.


The CVH seems to be regarded as not Ford's best effort.

With 4AGE's being as cheap as they are, if you are going for power, go 4AGE.

If you are going for cheap, as Andre has suggested, go the Nissan 1400 route. As the Nissan 1400 is a derivative (I believe) of the BMC A-series engine, it should be tune-able to get close to 71kW fairly easily. Also, if the Nissan is indeed a derivative of the A-series, there is a nice Lotus tie-up there as the first Lotus Sevens were powered by (among others) A-series motors.

Finally, both the Nissan 1400 and the 4AGE routes are well-trodden. Beating a new path is a great way to blow a budget!

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Re: Please help, newbie!!!!

Postby Joose on Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:36 pm

@james - yeah the CVH isnt a good option for a new build it seems. I was thinking more as a replacement to a kent since it seems to have the same bolt pattern and should go onto the existing box quite easily and nobody has exploited the source of XR3's. But the engines arent that cheap either - got prices from R4500 for the 1300 (reconditioned with old engine swap), so not good value either. As Andre said, nissan 1400 is best option for a scratch build - Just really struggling to get good prices on those! I know I can find a late-model write-off for R5k! I know it! :D
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Re: Please help, newbie!!!!

Postby BradW on Tue Sep 08, 2009 6:01 pm

Joose wrote: since it seems to have the same bolt pattern


Please check that statement before making any plans for a CVH engine, I have never checked but I was under the impresion that the CVH engine is a differant pattern, the Kent - Pinto (1600 & 2000 OHC) and the Rocam are all the same, just watch Bellhousings, the V6 bolt pattern is differant so can be confusing if your gearbox and bellhousing came out of a V6 Cortina or Sierra/Sapphire.

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PS Andre is quiet right, if your building to a budget the Nissan 1400 drivetrain is by far the cheapest overall, and don't get concerned about the low power, it's still huge fun...
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Re: Please help, newbie!!!!

Postby Xander on Wed Sep 09, 2009 12:02 pm

The Nissan has relatively low power, but beggars can't be choosers. When i started planning for our locost, i had a more optimistic idea about what everything would cost in the end including all of the small things that i didn't take into account. I agree 100% with Andre that building from scratch with limited budget, the best option would be the nissan , eventhough we would have liked to have a bit more power to work with. At the moment its more important that we start the build and finish the car, we can always fit another engine and gearbox at a later stadium when finances allow. Another thought i had is involving a third person (he has been nagging for a month to join us)to help with our project, which would mean that we would have a budget of roughly 35k to start. In this case, would it still be better to start with the nissan, or would buying a sierra and building as we get more money between the 3 of us be a better option?? Thanks everyone, your help is much appreciated!!
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Re: Please help, newbie!!!!

Postby Joose on Wed Sep 09, 2009 12:28 pm

Xander wrote:The Nissan has relatively low power, but beggars can't be choosers. When i started planning for our locost, i had a more optimistic idea about what everything would cost in the end including all of the small things that i didn't take into account. I agree 100% with Andre that building from scratch with limited budget, the best option would be the nissan , eventhough we would have liked to have a bit more power to work with. At the moment its more important that we start the build and finish the car, we can always fit another engine and gearbox at a later stadium when finances allow. Another thought i had is involving a third person (he has been nagging for a month to join us)to help with our project, which would mean that we would have a budget of roughly 35k to start. In this case, would it still be better to start with the nissan, or would buying a sierra and building as we get more money between the 3 of us be a better option?? Thanks everyone, your help is much appreciated!!


well I think the first question you need to ask yourselves is what you plan to do with the car? if you want to race it, then you should look seriously at using the Rocam engine, although that will increase the cost substantially because you then need to fiddle with engine management and stage 2 cams and other things. Plus the Rocam is very expensive for what it is, although you might be able to get one off a scrap car, but you are still looking at probably around R5K for just the engine (the same price more or less of a whole donor car with other engines!). If you just want to build a locost for the lowest price as a project/weekend car then I still think the Nissan 1400 is the best bet due to its simplicity, availability and price. You basically have two options with your budget IMO: a.) build a stripped out racer with a rocam or b.) build a fairly nicely finished weekend car with a nissan 1400. I do also think that you need to finalize drivetrain choice quite early on in the build to avoid having to undo and redo stuff you have already done.
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